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I should probably say right now that most of my answers will be very BtVS/AtS-centric because it's the world I apparently still live in. If I get a question that refers to a past couple or something, I'll probably go back to my fannish roots. But for the most part this might as well be a Jossverse meme. *shrugs*





Buffy and Riley. I knew when I was supposed to see it, I knew all the points where I was supposed to think they were sizzling, because the writers spotlighted and highlighted it with giant neon arrows…but it never convinced me. Maybe because back in those days, before online fandom and meta and fic, I was still supposed to think that Buffy loved Angel? And I couldn't see her moving on so fast? I don't know. But I think it was more because Riley always acted like he knew more than Buffy. Like, once he decided he wanted to be with her, her objections and reservations didn't matter. He handwaved her past trauma away as if it didn't matter because he would be different, better. Whatever. So I mostly got impatient with their angst - such as it was, and their slo-mo first love scene didn't do anything for me on any level. I'm glad Buffy finally got to have some consequence-free nookie, and they seemed to have a very healthy sexual relationship, but none of that turned me into a voyeur. And if I don't have pervy thougths and want to watch like a Peeping Tom outside the window? It's not gonna work for me.

Runner up goes to Lilah/Wesley. Never saw it, despite most of fandom being very enthusiastic. I think it might be because I never found Wesley personally attractive - he's all wrists and head to me - so seeing him in a love scene left me cold. There was one episode where they had just clearly finished having a very good orgasm, and they were both sweaty and she was lying on him and all I could think of was "ewww, take a shower."

Or maybe because in a small back corner of my non-C/A-shipping mind, I always saw him with Faith. I liked that dynamic, the one where Wesley was stronger mentally and emotionally and could carry Faith like a sleeping child, even though she could break him in half without breaking a sweat, even though when they throw themselves out of a window, Faith is the one who will take the brunt of that fall because she could, and he'd let her without thinking twice about it. I like that flip in traditional male/female roles more than I like Lilah's Lilith tempting Watcher Wesley. It was cliched and tiresome.

Date: 2012-02-11 11:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] manthk.livejournal.com
But I think it was more because Riley always acted like he knew more than Buffy. Like, once he decided he wanted to be with her, her objections and reservations didn't matter. He handwaved her past trauma away as if it didn't matter because he would be different, better.

I am always trying to figure out what my problems with Briley was, and I think a part of the problem is definitely this. Riley is so assured that he is the right "healthy" choice for Buffy, and the series seems to show that, too. And it's depicted as if its Buffy who fails at relationship for not wanting it as bad as Riley did..
plus, it was too vanilla a ship with a vanilla boy for me..

I think it might be because I never found Wesley personally attractive - he's all wrists and head to me -

Big Factor for me.. I always thought of Wesley as not sexual since back in the Btvs days(probably the result of the horrible kiss with Cordy) and post Billy, he gave me a creepy vibe..
though I still like the concept behind Wes-Lilah, I just can't get emotionally invested in the ship...

Date: 2012-02-12 12:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] samsom.livejournal.com
and the series seems to show that, too. And it's depicted as if its Buffy who fails at relationship for not wanting it as bad as Riley did..

yeah, this is the other part of my issue with Riley/Buffy. We watched Buffy for three seasons, we knew her issues and her angst and the root of both. And then in saunters Mister Teutonic Wonderful who presumes to know what Buffy needs and how wrong she is if she doesn't give him a chance. He basically shamed her into dating him in Doomed and I gasped at easily he handwaved away her Angel-shaped reservations with his "man who done you wrong" speech of utter shit.

He never had a chance with me but if he had, he would have totally flushed it with that bull he was spinning.

Date: 2012-02-12 05:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] manthk.livejournal.com
I gasped at easily he handwaved away her Angel-shaped reservations with his "man who done you wrong" speech of utter shit.

Exactly.. I mean, not a Bangel fan, but seriously, Buffy took that relationship seriously and was hurt/emotionally affected by it. To pretend that Bangel was just about some guy who couldn't treat Buffy right was ridiculous.

This is kind of why I liked Buffy with both Faith(in my head) and Spike. They may have been terrible for her, but they got the anger/passion/darkness that was inside of her better than her other love interests who tried to pretend it didn't exist.

Date: 2012-02-13 04:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spikes-minion.livejournal.com
They may have been terrible for her, but they got the anger/passion/darkness that was inside of her better than her other love interests who tried to pretend it didn't exist.

YES. Neither Riley nor Angel really understood Buffy completely.

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